Lame duck & fraud Joe Biden gives pardons before leaving office

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This is a news thread to discuss any "pardons" that Biden gives out, in his current capacity as supposed President/unelected dictator in the congressional insurrectionist regime against President Trump. Before he (hopefully) is going to leave office.

I'm not verifying this right now. But considering that Hunter referred to his dad Joe as a pedo, this shouldn't be too surprising to anyone who paid attention at all for the last five years.

Joe Biden Commutes Sentence Of UMiami Booster, Ponzi Schemer Nevin Shapiro

Joe Biden Commutes Sentence Of UMiami Booster, Ponzi Schemer Nevin Shapiro

President Joe Biden commuted the two decade-long prison sentence of University of Miami booster and Ponzi scheme mastermind Nevin Shapiro ... who previously admitted to illegally plying players with expensive gifts.

www.tmz.com

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!RemindMe 48 months

 

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!RemindMe 48 months

Does that do anything or are you meming for some reason?

 

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Does that do anything

In a way, yes, because we're guaranteed to have this conversation again in about four years from now. See also: four years ago.

 

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See also: four years ago.

What the fuck was wrong with the year 2020, anyway? What a cursed year that was. Not even just in politics, I mean in general.

I don't even like thinking back on it.

 

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Lmao. CIA spreading misinformation. Who'dda thunk it?

 

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What the fuck was wrong with the year 2020, anyway? What a cursed year that was. Not even just in politics, I mean in general.

I don't even like thinking back on it.

China's accidental leak of a bioweapon, the Democrat party's failure to put forth a worthwhile candidate (again), the beginnings of peak tranny, the wrongful death of a drug addict and the even more wrongful riots that happened thereafter, Twitter being relevant, that time Trump sent his fan club to raid the Capitol because he was butthurt that he lost an election that was rigged in his favor, that time the government returned $1200 of my tax dollars and tried to call it a handout, unprescidented unemployment, massive white flight out of New York City, the realization by many that mainstream media is rigged, the year the TV show "COPS" went on hiatus, the absolute explosion of shitty podcasts and YouTube channels not long for this world, the mainstreaming of the antiwork movement, the complete and total worthlessness of middle management on full display, the rise of the "reddit video community", the divide roughly along party lines on whether or not vaccination is a good thing, greedy corporations using stimulus to buy back stock, and perhaps the most relevant to this thread, Trump's pardoning of many drug traffickers, financial criminals, and murderers, as well as Susan B. Anthony.

 

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China's accidental leak of a bioweapon, the Democrat party's failure to put forth a worthwhile candidate (again), the beginnings of peak tranny, the wrongful death of a drug addict and the even more wrongful riots that happened thereafter, Twitter being relevant, that time Trump sent his fan club to raid the Capitol because he was butthurt that he lost an election that was rigged in his favor, that time the government returned $1200 of my tax dollars and tried to call it a handout, unprescidented unemployment, massive white flight out of New York City, the realization by many that mainstream media is rigged, the year the TV show "COPS" went on hiatus, the absolute explosion of shitty podcasts and YouTube channels not long for this world, the mainstreaming of the antiwork movement, the complete and total worthlessness of middle management on full display, the rise of the "reddit video community", the divide roughly along party lines on whether or not vaccination is a good thing, greedy corporations using stimulus to buy back stock, and perhaps the most relevant to this thread, Trump's pardoning of many drug traffickers, financial criminals, and murderers, as well as Susan B. Anthony.

>China's accidental leak of a bioweapon,
That technically happened in October 2019, and that first variant which China itself took the brunt of was weird and deadly. People were supposedly just dropping dead in the streets, with liver failure.

>the Democrat party's failure to put forth a worthwhile candidate (again)
Maybe they could dig up Jefferson F. Davis' body and clone him, that might be interesting. Not a serious suggestion though.

>that time Trump sent his fan club to raid the Capitol because he was butthurt that he lost an election that was rigged in his favor,
>Trump's pardoning of many drug traffickers, financial criminals, and murderers, as well as Susan B. Anthony.
This was mostly in 2021, and I don't defend some of Trump's questionable pardons of his friends that he made in his last week in office. But that doesn't make Biden look great for doing exactly the same kind of thing.


As for the farcical "Capitol raid": Trump ambiguously pointed or waved at the Capitol building, which has the obvious interpretation of being an invitation to go up the steps. He did not tell people to "raid" the building; and frankly I think that the head of the executive branch should have some ability to decide who can enter the Capitol building, regardless. The allegations of the head of state asking people to do an "insurrection" against his own government doesn't hold water and is rather absurd. Maybe you could say that if he literally told people to break in and stop Congress, but that is not what really happened, outside of Democrat fantasies.

When Vice President Pence wrongfully certified the third world-level election, the Capitol protesters became angry and rioted. Breaking into or walking into the building. This was a popular election with certain states that had more votes than registered voters. This lead to a constitutional crisis, since the US doesn't really have a good mechanism for dealing with a rigged popular election, or with Congress flagrantly abusing the impeachment mechanism against a President they simply don't like. The Congress falsely accused Trump of insurrection, which is ironically exactly what they did against Trump by "certifying" fraud.

Now, I know that the electoral college decides the President. But if the electoral college's decision is based on a fraudulent popular election, that is no valid "democratic" election at all. That is arguably not a legal election.

Honestly, Trump and his team handled the crisis rather badly, partially to avoid escalating things into a civil war. Which I don't exactly blame him for that intent, to avoid escalation. But there was a lot to be desired about how things were handled.

Only so much you can do before you're going to need to have more of a backbone, though. And despite being accused of being "Fascist", Trump was not ready to start arresting certain opponents who were causing nothing but issues (they have a whole party of them, actually)....

 

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As for the farcical "Capitol raid": Trump ambiguously pointed or waved at the Capitol building, which has the obvious interpretation of being an invitation to go up the steps.

He essentially told them that if they didn't do something, America would die.

He did not tell people to "raid" the building;

He told them to save America, after blabbering on about how the election was rigged. He knew what this meant in their heads.

and frankly I think that the head of the executive branch should have some ability to decide who can enter the Capitol building, regardless.

He did not tell the Capitol cops and officials to let his fan club in. If he merely wanted to let them enter, he could have let the housekeepers know to expect company.

What his fan club ultimately did was highly illegal. You can't just waltz into the Capitol willy nilly, regardless of what the President told them personally. It's a secured government building protected by laws and law enforcement.

The allegations of the head of state asking people to do an "insurrection" against his own government doesn't hold water and is rather absurd.

He lost the election (which was rigged in his favor) and sending his fan club to fix the problem was a last ditch effort to remain in office.

Maybe you could say that if he literally told people to break in and stop Congress, but that is not what really happened, outside of Democrat fantasies.

They tried to break in and stop Congress, based on words that came out of his mouth that had an intended meaning. That's the thing though, he didn't explicitly say what to do in plain English because he didn't have to. This was intentionally to give him plausible deniability in the eyes of people like you, as well as a possible defense in court. He only said enough to get the desired effect, and as I've said, he knew what meaning those words would have to his rabid fan club.

When Vice President Pence wrongfully certified the third world-level election,

No, not true, not even close, and a gross insult to the integrity of the American electoral system. Have you ever actually seen a third world election?

Trump lost, but he didn't want to leave office. He sent his fan club after Pence, whom he felt slighted by for not refusing to go through the motions of the largely ceremonious process, as if that would actually change the outcome. It actually doesn't matter if Pence had certified the election or not. If he had refused to, the matter would have ended up before Congress and likely the Supreme Court and they would have ruled Biden to be the winner.

the Capitol protesters became angry and rioted. Breaking into or walking into the building.

Unfortunately for them, there's a huge difference between a bunch of angry retards and actual law enforcement. When that chick got shot for trying to climb over the door, the rest of Trump's fan club quickly dispersed, their attempt to overthrow the government dying out almost immediately thereafter.

This was a popular election with certain states that had more votes than registered voters.

Where's the proof? Oh, right.

This lead to a constitutional crisis, since the US doesn't really have a good mechanism for dealing with a rigged popular election,

There was never a constitutional crisis. The US Presidential election is not a popularity contest.

Constitutional crises are the under the perview of the US Supreme Court. Republcians did attempt to bring this matter before the Surpreme Court multiple times. The one case that made it was dismissed for lack of standing, ie. it was a bullshit lawsuit. If there were any merit to this claim that Biden won the election illegitimately, or should not have won, it would have ended up before the Supreme Court much like the 2000 election did.

or with Congress flagrantly abusing the impeachment mechanism against a President they simply don't like.

It is the sole right of Congress to impeach (bring charges against) any sitting President they see fit.

If you're going to make that argument for Trump, you must also make it for Bill Clinton.

The Congress falsely accused Trump of insurrection, which is ironically exactly what they did against Trump by "certifying" fraud.

Congress upheld their constitutional duty by impeaching Trump. Biden won the election despite it being rigged in Trump's favor.

I'd like to also point out that Biden has not been impeached, and is extremely unlikely to try and prevent Trump from returning to office.

Now, I know that the electoral college decides the President. But if the electoral college's decision is based on a fraudulent popular election, that is no valid "democratic" election at all. That is arguably not a legal election.

The 2020 popular vote was not fraudulent, save for Republicans' myriad attempts to manipulate the election to no avail, including the famous phone call between Trump and Raffensperger, in which Trump asks for Brad Raffensperger to "find" 11780 votes. These Republican attempts to manipulate the election are illegal under US law, in case you didn't know.

Honestly, Trump and his team handled the crisis rather badly, partially to avoid escalating things into a civil war. Which I don't exactly blame him for that intent, to avoid escalation. But there was a lot to be desired about how things were handled.

There was never a risk of civil war. Had it not been for Trump blabbering on about "not having a country anymore" Jan 6 wouldn't have even happened. Even when the most hardcore of Trump's supporters got a call to action from Trump himself, it only went as far as Capitol security allowed it to, which IMO was way too far. The party ended when a girl got shot for trying to climb over a door. These people really never stood a chance, and would absolutely not have started a civil war of their own volition.

Only so much you can do before you're going to need to have more of a backbone, though.

See above.

And despite being accused of being "Fascist",

He is fascist, though. Under the US system of government, there's only so much you can do before even your own party turns against you, and Trump knew that. That's why he got impeached and aquitted, twice. He didn't do enough to get the Republican-majority Senate to turn against him.

His court stuffing paid off and since he left office, the Supreme Court has subsequently granted the President a free pass to do almost anything, which is the cloest thing to an Enabling Act that he could ever hope for. It's a shame Biden is squandering the oppertunity to test this free pass, but then again after nearly four years of nothingburger on autopilot I can't say I'm surprised.

Trump was not ready to start arresting certain opponents who were causing nothing but issues

He likely will start arresting anyone he doesn't like this time around. He's got nothing to lose.

(they have a whole party of them, actually)....

While there are a quite a few opponents of Trump in the Republican party, I don't think it's fair to say they represent the whole party, the majority of which has been supporting Trump.

 

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I kind of don't want to respond to this since Trump is plainly not the subject of this thread, but if you're so interested...

He essentially told them that if they didn't do something, America would die.

He told them to save America, after blabbering on about how the election was rigged. He knew what this meant in their heads.

It kind of did at least kill the concept of "democracy", if we're just going to allow fraud with no consequences now. Reminder that our government attacks other countries for doing this same thing.

>He knew what this meant in their heads.
Walk up the Capitol steps and demonstrate outside the building?

I'll note that there weren't many Biden supporters there, which by itself already implies fraud if the "winner" doesn't have much popularity or supporters.

He did not tell the Capitol cops and officials to let his fan club in. If he merely wanted to let them enter, he could have let the housekeepers know to expect company.

Right, because he didn't want them to enter. He gestured toward the Capitol steps and then fled out. If he was going for something like Mussolini's March on Rome (look it up if you don't know what it was), this was not it, chief.

What his fan club ultimately did was highly illegal. You can't just waltz into the Capitol willy nilly, regardless of what the President told them personally. It's a secured government building protected by laws and law enforcement.

True for the ones that broke the one set of doors down and vandalized stuff. The other ones were basically trespassing, which should not be considered very serious. This is supposed to be a building where supposedly "representatives of the people" make legislation, so it shouldn't be about locking everyone out. If the legislators can't handle having any audience, then they shouldn't legislate. That's simply my philosophical opinion.

He lost the election (which was rigged in his favor) and sending his fan club to fix the problem was a last ditch effort to remain in office.

>He lost the election
Nah.
>rigged in his favor
Nah.

They tried to break in and stop Congress, based on words that came out of his mouth that had an intended meaning.

True, and have you thought about why they tried to do that? Could it be because Congress was breaking the law and being dishonest? Maybe don't "certify" fraudulent, bullshit elections and this wouldn't have happened.

That's the thing though, he didn't explicitly say what to do in plain English because he didn't have to. This was intentionally to give him plausible deniability in the eyes of people like you, as well as a possible defense in court. He only said enough to get the desired effect, and as I've said, he knew what meaning those words would have to his rabid fan club.

Meh.
>people like you
So the majority of the US Senate in around mid-Jan 2021 during his impeachment trial for supposed "insurrection", who agreed with me that he's not guilty.

No, not true, not even close, and a gross insult to the integrity of the American electoral system. Have you ever actually seen a third world election?

Neither of us have "seen a third world election" unless you're living there? I mean an election literally in a third world country.

Trump lost, but he didn't want to leave office.

"Lost" at what, being extorted?

He sent his fan club after Pence, whom he felt slighted by for not refusing to go through the motions of the largely ceremonious process, as if that would actually change the outcome.

Pence's role was to "count the certificates". He could have just not recognized them as legally valid "certificates", because a certificate is defined as "A document establishing the authenticity of certain details of an item, event, or transaction." Which plainly these were not "certificates", since you cannot certify something fraudulent. These certificates themselves were fraudulent documents. He should have thrown them in the garbage and burned them.

It actually doesn't matter if Pence had certified the election or not. If he had refused to, the matter would have ended up before Congress and likely the Supreme Court and they would have ruled Biden to be the winner.

Bullshit, that's not what the Constitution says. The Congress and the electoral college "certify" the election, and then the next step of the process is the "President of the Senate" (the Vice President) must "count" the "certificates". But there were no legal certificates involved here, because you can't "certify" fraud.

Unfortunately for them, there's a huge difference between a bunch of angry retards and actual law enforcement.

I thought leftists don't believe in law enforcement?

attempt to overthrow the government dying out almost immediately thereafter.

Trump was the government, as the executive branch, which Congress was wrongfully attempting to keep from resuming another term. Trump should have had them charged with treason against the head of state.

There was never a constitutional crisis. The US Presidential election is not a popularity contest.

Bro, wrong on both counts.

dismissed for lack of standing,

That's just a bullshit made up thing the federal court system uses when they simply don't want to hear something, arbitrarily.

It is the sole right of Congress to impeach (bring charges against) any sitting President they see fit.

Yeah and why don't they impeach Biden for being a complete crook? Oh right, because he's not a real elected President. So he can't be impeached. He can only be ignored.

If you're going to make that argument for Trump, you must also make it for Bill Clinton.

I'm not familiar enough with the Clinton and Monika Lewinsky affair thing to attempt to make any kind of defense for Clinton, even as playing Devil's Advocate.

I'd like to also point out that Biden has not been impeached, and is extremely unlikely to try and prevent Trump from returning to office.

Probably true but he supports Zelensky, who suspended elections in Ukraine for (((reasons))) and apparently that's an OK thing to do if you want to. It just has to be an environment where things are too inconvenient to leave office, from a war or instability or something.


So obviously I don't really agree with you on this subject of the 2020 election and related issues, generally. But I feel like I said my peace.

 

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I might dig through my files, and post some images and documents later that show how fucked the 2020 election was, in a different thread. For example, the state of Pennsylvania's legislature made a document saying that the election was bad. But I'm not doing it right now.

 

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It kind of did at least kill the concept of "democracy", if we're just going to allow fraud with no consequences now. Reminder that our government attacks other countries for doing this same thing.

We did let Trump get away with conspiring with Russia to steal the 2016 election, didn't we? Did we ever get that guy?

I'll note that there weren't many Biden supporters there, which by itself already implies fraud if the "winner" doesn't have much popularity or supporters.

Large numbers of people voting against Trump aside, why would anyone show up for the electoral certification? Presidential supporters show up for rallies and speeches, not a boring formal process that happens behind closed doors.

Remember, Trump's fan club approached the Capitol building, gallows and all, and ultimately breached it because he told them to. They had no other reason to be there, and Biden supporters had no reason to either, which is why they weren't present. At least some of them intended to hang Mike Pence for the supposed crime of certifying the election.

True for the ones that broke the one set of doors down and vandalized stuff. The other ones were basically trespassing, which should not be considered very serious. This is supposed to be a building where supposedly "representatives of the people" make legislation, so it shouldn't be about locking everyone out. If the legislators can't handle having any audience, then they shouldn't legislate. That's simply my philosophical opinion.

I thought conservatives were all about law and order? None of them were supposed to be there, period.

Right, because he didn't want them to enter. He gestured toward the Capitol steps and then fled out. If he was going for something like Mussolini's March on Rome (look it up if you don't know what it was), this was not it, chief.

Remember plausible deniability? That's his lawyer's argument. It's not the truth.

If he didn't want them to enter, he would have told them to not enter as they were entering. It's not as if he was clueless to what was about to happen. He was the President of the United States of America, for fucks sakes. He could have done any number of things to stop his fan club from breaking into the Capitol, coverage of which he was viewing on live television. Apparently he wanted to be there with them, and the Secret Service wouldn't let him. He pouted about it.

>He lost the election
Nah.
>rigged in his favor
Nah.

If you're arguing that he won the 2016, 2020, and 2024 elections, then you're also arguing that he won three elections total. You're also arguing that his second term is up in about 5 weeks, and that he's about to start his third term. That sounds like a constitutional crisis to me.

By his own words, he should not have run for President in 2024.

True, and have you thought about why they tried to do that? Could it be because Congress was breaking the law and being dishonest? Maybe don't "certify" fraudulent, bullshit elections and this wouldn't have happened.

What did Congressional Republicans do about it, besides filing some lolsuits that got thrown out? What about the one that made it up to the Trump-stuffed and Trump-favorable US Supreme Court?

Meh.
>people like you
So the majority of the US Senate in around mid-Jan 2021 during his impeachment trial for supposed "insurrection", who agreed with me that he's not guilty.

Republicans can't grow a spine. They must back Trump, or else face the consequences at the polls. The rest of the Senate had no such fear and voted in favor of removal.

Republicans, during Trump's first term, also failed to repeal Obamacare. Again, failure to grow a spine. Again, fear of being replaced at the end of their terms. They had control of both the House and Senate and Trump was more than willing to sign whatever bullshit they managed to pass, and these cocksuckers were more concerned with self-preservation.

The only Republican Congresscritters who have spoken or acted against Trump in any significant way, were those who weren't seeking re-election.

Neither of us have "seen a third world election" unless you're living there? I mean an election literally in a third world country.

Have you ever studied the history of post-Soviet Russia? How about the various shitholes in Africa? How about China, or North Korea, or Venezuela?

"Lost" at what, being extorted?

Trump lost the 2020 election, which was won by Biden.

Bullshit, that's not what the Constitution says. The Congress and the electoral college "certify" the election, and then the next step of the process is the "President of the Senate" (the Vice President) must "count" the "certificates". But there were no legal certificates involved here, because you can't "certify" fraud.

Each of the states certify their election results, and then the Vice President certifies the election as a whole, thereby officially naming the President-elect. It's not hard to understand that certification happens at multiple levels.

Pence, acting on a good faith belief that the results of the election are false, could have chosen to not certify it. However, that wouldn't mean that Trump magically wins the election. What would actually happen is that the matter would be put before Congress and likely decided by the US Supreme Court, and result would have been a Biden win.

Mind you, Pence did certify the election. Pence knew the fraud accusations were bullshit. Trump knew that Pence intended to certify the election. That's why Trump gave a speech in which he blabbered on and on about fraud and stolen elections for over an hour immediately just before the insurrection took place. It was a last ditch effort to change the outcome of a very long and complicated process that he clearly knows very little about.

I thought leftists don't believe in law enforcement?

How leftists feel about law enforcement is irrelevant. The tacticool retards involved in the insurrection were no match for actual cops. They had the cops vastly outnumbered, but the shooting of Ashli Babbitt was apparently enough to bring these fucktards back to reality.

I'm disappointed that these freaks were allowed to even do as much as they did. Trump himself could have declared a national emergency at any point during this mess, and the National Guard would have shut it down pretty quick.

Trump was the government, as the executive branch, which Congress was wrongfully attempting to keep from resuming another term. Trump should have had them charged with treason against the head of state.

So you're saying that Trump can't overthrow the government, because he's the head of one branch of that government? Adolf Hitler overthrew his own government, installing himself as dictator in the process. Heil Godwin.

The supposedly wrongful Congress was majority Republican at that time, wasn't it?

Bro, wrong on both counts.

There was never a constitutional crisis. The Trump-loving US Supreme Court declined to get involved in all but one of the lolsuits, and that one suit was dismissed. If there was a constitutional crisis, that would have been in the purview of the US Supreme Court and they would have been very interested. But they saw the bullshit for what it was, and given a lack of term limits, had nothing to lose.

The US Presidential election is not a popularity contest. Plenty of past Presidents won the election while losing the popular vote, including Trump in 2016 who lost the popular vote by almost three million votes.

That's just a bullshit made up thing the federal court system uses when they simply don't want to hear something, arbitrarily.

The Federal court system that was stuffed by Trump? Why would they arbitrarily refuse the chance to hear various cases alleging election fraud in Biden's favor? Oh, is it because the claims are bullshit, and Federal judges have nothing to lose and therefore no reason to push said bullshit?

Yeah and why don't they impeach Biden for being a complete crook?

Because Biden didn't do anything to warrant being impeached or removed. Certainly Republicans could have tried if they wanted to. He was a nothingburger president who, with few exceptions, left the country on autopilot. The mass forgiving of student debt was supposed to be his Obamacare legacy, but sadly for him it wasn't meant to be. He'll soon be forgotten.

Oh right, because he's not a real elected President.

Yes, he is, $400k salary and all. Unless you're trying to say we haven't had a President in almost four years?

Oh, what you're really trying to say is that Trump has been the real President all along, since the true results of the election supposedly put him as the winner? So in other words, you're saying he can't legally take office in January because he's already had two terms, one of which saw Biden acting as a Trump sockpuppet? I mean, when you look at a lot of Biden's policies, it makes sense.

So he can't be impeached. He can only be ignored.

Well according to you he's not and never was President, so I guess he's off the hook regardless, eh?

I'm not familiar enough with the Clinton and Monika Lewinsky affair thing to attempt to make any kind of defense for Clinton, even as playing Devil's Advocate.

Bill was the last President to be impeached before Trump, for much less serious crimes, by a majority Republican House.

Probably true but he supports Zelensky, who suspended elections in Ukraine for (((reasons))) and apparently that's an OK thing to do if you want to. It just has to be an environment where things are too inconvenient to leave office, from a war or instability or something.

I don't really know what Ukraine has to do with this, but it might very well be legal for Zelensky to do that. I'm not familiar with post-Soviet Ukrainian law so I couldn't tell you.

I'd like to point out that what Ukraine does has zero bearing on whether or not Biden should be impeached.

I might dig through my files, and post some images and documents later that show how fucked the 2020 election was, in a different thread. For example, the state of Pennsylvania's legislature made a document saying that the election was bad. But I'm not doing it right now.

Fact-Checking PA-related Election Claims

Fact-Checking PA-related Election Claims

www.pa.gov

So obviously I don't really agree with you on this subject of the 2020 election and related issues, generally. But I feel like I said my peace.

I don't agree with you either, and I knew that before this thread existed. But I did get some insight into how your brain works so this discussion was not for nothing.

 

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We did let Trump get away with conspiring with Russia to steal the 2016 election, didn't we? Did we ever get that guy?

Large numbers of people voting against Trump aside, why would anyone show up for the electoral certification? Presidential supporters show up for rallies and speeches, not a boring formal process that happens behind closed doors.

Remember, Trump's fan club approached the Capitol building, gallows and all, and ultimately breached it because he told them to. They had no other reason to be there, and Biden supporters had no reason to either, which is why they weren't present. At least some of them intended to hang Mike Pence for the supposed crime of certifying the election.

I thought conservatives were all about law and order? None of them were supposed to be there, period.

Remember plausible deniability? That's his lawyer's argument. It's not the truth.

If he didn't want them to enter, he would have told them to not enter as they were entering. It's not as if he was clueless to what was about to happen. He was the President of the United States of America, for fucks sakes. He could have done any number of things to stop his fan club from breaking into the Capitol, coverage of which he was viewing on live television. Apparently he wanted to be there with them, and the Secret Service wouldn't let him. He pouted about it.

If you're arguing that he won the 2016, 2020, and 2024 elections, then you're also arguing that he won three elections total. You're also arguing that his second term is up in about 5 weeks, and that he's about to start his third term. That sounds like a constitutional crisis to me.

By his own words, he should not have run for President in 2024.

What did Congressional Republicans do about it, besides filing some lolsuits that got thrown out? What about the one that made it up to the Trump-stuffed and Trump-favorable US Supreme Court?

Republicans can't grow a spine. They must back Trump, or else face the consequences at the polls. The rest of the Senate had no such fear and voted in favor of removal.

Republicans, during Trump's first term, also failed to repeal Obamacare. Again, failure to grow a spine. Again, fear of being replaced at the end of their terms. They had control of both the House and Senate and Trump was more than willing to sign whatever bullshit they managed to pass, and these cocksuckers were more concerned with self-preservation.

The only Republican Congresscritters who have spoken or acted against Trump in any significant way, were those who weren't seeking re-election.

Have you ever studied the history of post-Soviet Russia? How about the various shitholes in Africa? How about China, or North Korea, or Venezuela?

Trump lost the 2020 election, which was won by Biden.

Each of the states certify their election results, and then the Vice President certifies the election as a whole, thereby officially naming the President-elect. It's not hard to understand that certification happens at multiple levels.

Pence, acting on a good faith belief that the results of the election are false, could have chosen to not certify it. However, that wouldn't mean that Trump magically wins the election. What would actually happen is that the matter would be put before Congress and likely decided by the US Supreme Court, and result would have been a Biden win.

Mind you, Pence did certify the election. Pence knew the fraud accusations were bullshit. Trump knew that Pence intended to certify the election. That's why Trump gave a speech in which he blabbered on and on about fraud and stolen elections for over an hour immediately just before the insurrection took place. It was a last ditch effort to change the outcome of a very long and complicated process that he clearly knows very little about.

How leftists feel about law enforcement is irrelevant. The tacticool retards involved in the insurrection were no match for actual cops. They had the cops vastly outnumbered, but the shooting of Ashli Babbitt was apparently enough to bring these fucktards back to reality.

I'm disappointed that these freaks were allowed to even do as much as they did. Trump himself could have declared a national emergency at any point during this mess, and the National Guard would have shut it down pretty quick.

So you're saying that Trump can't overthrow the government, because he's the head of one branch of that government? Adolf Hitler overthrew his own government, installing himself as dictator in the process. Heil Godwin.

The supposedly wrongful Congress was majority Republican at that time, wasn't it?

There was never a constitutional crisis. The Trump-loving US Supreme Court declined to get involved in all but one of the lolsuits, and that one suit was dismissed. If there was a constitutional crisis, that would have been in the purview of the US Supreme Court and they would have been very interested. But they saw the bullshit for what it was, and given a lack of term limits, had nothing to lose.

The US Presidential election is not a popularity contest. Plenty of past Presidents won the election while losing the popular vote, including Trump in 2016 who lost the popular vote by almost three million votes.

The Federal court system that was stuffed by Trump? Why would they arbitrarily refuse the chance to hear various cases alleging election fraud in Biden's favor? Oh, is it because the claims are bullshit, and Federal judges have nothing to lose and therefore no reason to push said bullshit?

Because Biden didn't do anything to warrant being impeached or removed. Certainly Republicans could have tried if they wanted to. He was a nothingburger president who, with few exceptions, left the country on autopilot. The mass forgiving of student debt was supposed to be his Obamacare legacy, but sadly for him it wasn't meant to be. He'll soon be forgotten.

Yes, he is, $400k salary and all. Unless you're trying to say we haven't had a President in almost four years?

Oh, what you're really trying to say is that Trump has been the real President all along, since the true results of the election supposedly put him as the winner? So in other words, you're saying he can't legally take office in January because he's already had two terms, one of which saw Biden acting as a Trump sockpuppet? I mean, when you look at a lot of Biden's policies, it makes sense.

Well according to you he's not and never was President, so I guess he's off the hook regardless, eh?

Bill was the last President to be impeached before Trump, for much less serious crimes, by a majority Republican House.

I don't really know what Ukraine has to do with this, but it might very well be legal for Zelensky to do that. I'm not familiar with post-Soviet Ukrainian law so I couldn't tell you.

I'd like to point out that what Ukraine does has zero bearing on whether or not Biden should be impeached.

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I don't agree with you either, and I knew that before this thread existed. But I did get some insight into how your brain works so this discussion was not for nothing.

I gotta say your takes on American politics are absolutely abysmal, and I have to wonder where you've been the past 4 years. Not in this universe.

Like I could "argue" but what's the point with someone who hasn't been paying attention. Something something libertarians something something black and white thinking.

I'll give you that you haven't banned me, so that's still better than Ken. Credit where credit is due.

 

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>Inb4 Gargamel is a Jew
Nah, rate me optimistic but I don't think that's it.

 

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I gotta say your takes on American politics are absolutely abysmal

You don't agree. That's okay, everybody gets their opinion.

I live here, and I strongly suspect you don't. You're coming off like a foreigner who is heavily invested in the politics of a country that has nothing to do with him. Seemingly knowledgeable in topics that get beat to death by the Fake News media, but lacking in real world experiences directly related to Trump being President, or winning/losing elections.

I have to wonder where you've been the past 4 years. Not in this universe. Like I could "argue" but what's the point with someone who hasn't been paying attention.

"where [has Gargamel] been the past 4 years" is a nice way of saying "ignore Trump's misdeeds, focus on Biden, he's the real devil!"

Something something libertarians something something black and white thinking.

Regardless of what Political Compass says, I don't consider myself to be libertardian. I've known a few, me and them never agreed on anything and I'm more than happy to collect Social Security benefits (if there are any left when I'm old enough), call 911 when my house catches fire, and accept a "free" (read: funded by my tax dollars) $1200 from the government. These are things libertardians claim they're against, even though given the chance they'd do the same. In other words, they're hypocrites.

I'll give you that you haven't banned me, so that's still better than Ken. Credit where credit is due.

Were you expecting to get banned for posting stale pro-Trump political views? I don't really give a shit and no one is complaining.

If that's the reason Ken banned you, then that's incredibly libtarded of him.

 

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I live here, and I strongly suspect you don't. You're coming off like a foreigner who is heavily invested in the politics of a country that has nothing to do with him.

I find this accusation ironic.

Live where? New York? Don't answer that.

If that's the reason Ken banned you, then that's incredibly libtarded of him.

Tbh I'm not really sure why he banned me, because I had already quit posting on Onion Farms for months when he did it. Very strange behavior.

accept a "free" (read: funded by my tax dollars) $1200 from the government. These are things libertardians claim they're against, even though given the chance they'd do the same. In other words, they're hypocrites.

That part about the stimulus payments, those were technically said to be "tax rebates" or reimbursements from the IRS. So I don't see why libertarians should be against that, getting your taxes back (allegedly).

 

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Live where? New York? Don't answer that.

When I said "I live here" I clearly meant that I live in America, where Trump is most relevant, as opposed to living in some other country.

I don't live in New York (Trump's home city and state), but I can understand how you're coming to that conclusion. The knife cuts both ways, though.

Tbh I'm not really sure why he banned me, because I had already quit posting on Onion Farms for months when he did it. Very strange behavior.

He's got a thing about inactive accounts, especially ones without avatars. He just can't keep his hands off of anything, it seems.

Sometimes he makes "problematic" people "go away" after they've already left. It happened to me. I don't think he wants to actually deal with the bullshit that goes along with properly saying goodbye, so he'll quietly ban you when you're not active so you don't come back later. In my case, it blew up in his face and made him look bad, so in a way he had to deal with the bullshit after all.

That part about the stimulus payments, those were technically said to be "tax rebates" or reimbursements from the IRS. So I don't see why libertarians should be against that, getting your taxes back (allegedly).

There are a lot of people in America who paid less than $1200 in Federal taxes that year, or the year prior. It stands to reason they got free money, or more accurately, money subsidized by people who pay more than $1200 per year. This is the libertardian hangup. They don't support the idea of people getting something for nothing. I personally don't care.

 

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I don't live in New York (Trump's home city and state), but I can understand how you're coming to that conclusion. The knife cuts both ways, though.

Lol, not like it really matters where you live and I'm used to not being taken seriously when it comes to the 2020 election, because frankly most people are fucking idiots and will put their need to fit in with the NPC status quo above basic morality or law. Nevermind that the way they treated Trump was/is basically treason. Always with the mental gymnastics, sickening really.

I'm just a little disappointed that you're also in the wrong camp about this issue. But there's nothing to do about it, so whatever.

There are a lot of people in America who paid less than $1200 in Federal taxes that year, or the year prior. It stands to reason they got free money, or more accurately, money subsidized by people who pay more than $1200 per year. This is the libertardian hangup. They don't support the idea of people getting something for nothing. I personally don't care.

Personally I think borrowing money from the central bank at interest to "hand out" to people is completely retarded, but at least it didn't go to foreign countries. So that was better than usual.

 

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Personally I think borrowing money from the central bank at interest to "hand out" to people is completely retarded, but at least it didn't go to foreign countries. So that was better than usual.

Everyone needs money. People use it to pay bills or to create art online when they're bored or searching for purpose in life. Having a job is undoubtedly helpful, but what about those who have been reliant on a wheelchair since birth? It stands to reason that even basic jobs, like flipping burgers or filing taxes, are often given to individuals who can walk and access items more easily.

This reality is part of the reason why many people with disabilities struggle to find employment—especially those with severe physical impairments, such as the inability to walk or use their arms. I’m not referring to individuals with mild mental disabilities who can still work; I mean those with significant physical limitations. Sadly, society often overlooks this group. And while serial killers like Ted Bundy (a grim and unfortunate reality) may not fit this discussion, they certainly aren’t getting paid—unless, of course, you count stealing from their victims.

 

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Everyone needs money. People use it to pay bills or to create art online when they're bored or searching for purpose in life. Having a job is undoubtedly helpful, but what about those who have been reliant on a wheelchair since birth? It stands to reason that even basic jobs, like flipping burgers or filing taxes, are often given to individuals who can walk and access items more easily.

This reality is part of the reason why many people with disabilities struggle to find employment—especially those with severe physical impairments, such as the inability to walk or use their arms. I’m not referring to individuals with mild mental disabilities who can still work; I mean those with significant physical limitations. Sadly, society often overlooks this group. And while serial killers like Ted Bundy (a grim and unfortunate reality) may not fit this discussion, they certainly aren’t getting paid—unless, of course, you count stealing from their victims.

Ok and?

@Boobie Boob Btw, why are you botting? If I wanted to chat to ChatGPT, I would.

Kind of explains the lack of intelligence about politics actually, if half the posters are using the same "AI" that is hard coded to be progressive.